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Exploding trees - sheesh

by loiswakeman @ 17/01/2008 - 09:48:02

The Today programme on BBC Radio 4 had me spluttering into my tea this morning, with news of a new genus of palm recently identified in Madagascar by botanists. Apart from its large size, the main point of interest is that it flowers and then dies. So - let's make that really exciting for our stupid listeners and call it a "self-destructing palm" shall we?

No mention of the proper botanical term for this - monocarpic, nor of the well-known century plant, which does very much the same and is well known for it!

According to The Telegraph - which to be fair to the Beeb makes the same silly observation - "The palm will be called Tahina spectabilis which is Malagasy for blessed or to be protected. Tahina is the name of one of Xavier Metz's daughters."

I am confused. Is the French Mr Metz's daughter given a Malagasy name? If so, that makes sense in part - but spectabilis is a very common Latin specific name meaning "showy". So a bit more care in constructing the sentence to make it clear what that tricky "which" refers to would have been worthwhile.

Read the story at The Telegraph, and the BBC - and weep :(

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I heard that report about the palms... it would never have happened years ago before the "best news programme" on the air dumbed down... :-/

ranfuchsranfuchs pro
17/01/08 @ 10:48

Have you tried to read any scientific article in popular paper? The take a phrase and make it into a sensation with no relationship whatsoever to the original science. Learning about science from the popular media (or google) is not science. It's media.

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
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17/01/08 @ 11:53

Too true. One might hope (vainly) that the media would sometimes try to raise the level of overall knowledge, rather than the opposite - giving the ignorant the comforting thought that they already know enough, and anyway, difficult stuff is boring.

ranfuchsranfuchs pro
17/01/08 @ 19:19

I agree. But media is now in crossroad. They try to compete with the internet, blogs and free papers. Why would you pay for crap that comes free?

My view is that in the long run it will be the quality that will keep them a live. Because if I want gossip and uninformed opinion, it will not be the time I will be reading

Not-HerneschaseNot-Herneschase [Member]
17/01/08 @ 11:36

The Today Programme has never been the same since Brian Redhead died. Mind you he probably was Dumb-er Down-er in Chief if I'm honest.

LC was always referred to as 'Pinus Silvestris' when in the womb (long story), so maybe Mr Metz named his daughter just in case he ever found a tree on his travels in Madagascar, Forward planning :-/

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
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17/01/08 @ 11:51

It would seem he almost named her after sesame seed paste. It could have been worse - she might have been "Hummus"

Not-HerneschaseNot-Herneschase [Member]
17/01/08 @ 13:21

Oh I do wish my child-bearing days weren't behind me I could have a whale of a time! My Sister in Law has a Kipling - one can only assume to enable her to tell him to 'get out in the ruddy yard Kipling' in later life - the joke was lost on her as you can imagine :-/

Ian [Visitor]

17/01/08 @ 12:18

Stories about the deplorable state of science reporting in the meeja are always good to hear but does anyone care? Scientific ignorance is worn as a badge of honour even by Today presenters.

On the present story a couple of minutes investigation reveals the origin of the mistake regarding the name - the sentence is lifted from the Blackwell Publishing press release. Reading the original paper reveals the palm was found over a year ago so in some circles it is hardly news.

However, I'd like to make 2 positive points. As a conservation biologist, I wanted to find out more after hearing the story, so it was worth airing, and at least the Beeb and the Telegraph avoided the crass headline in the Times online article: 'Picnicking family stumbles on a suicidal monster palm tree'!!!

[edited to add link]

The blog owner changed this comment on 17/01/08 12:31

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
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17/01/08 @ 12:26

Well, you and I, and I am sure a few other people do care. And thanks for putting some positive spin on this too!

As you say, even the Linnean Society stoops to sensationalist headlines, and cannot bring itself to mention 'monocarpic'.

LissaTLissaT pro
17/01/08 @ 13:02

It isn't just science. On several occasions I have wanted to find historical information, but googling will give scores of different answers from people strong on hearsay but low on research, evidence and basic English. While people seem quite happy to flaunt their ignorance of science, every semi-literate high school student believes himself an historian.

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
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17/01/08 @ 13:17

I think that any subject on which one has a modicum of knowledge shows up the gormlessness of much of what's written today! After all, I am only an amateur botanist with a very distant Biology 'A' level, yet it seems I know far more than the average "science" pundit. I'm sure the same is true of any academic discipline.

LissaTLissaT pro
17/01/08 @ 13:37

I am not even an amateur botonist, but on more than one occasion I have told people confidently that a plant was call 'didgrow incognita' and have not merely been believed, but praised for my depth of knowledge!

M. Desfayes [Visitor]
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17/01/08 @ 13:37

Hi Lois,
I'm all with you.

I suspect Tahina to be a Jewish name...

spectabilis is evidently "spectacular". Many other organisms have been so named.

Erin [Visitor]

17/01/08 @ 17:45

Mr. Metz runs a plantation in Madagascar near where the first tree was found so I would assume that the entire family actually lives there. Looking at the associated press release may make a little more sense.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOiux9Qm9lR4T4-mkCiQXGv3nS7gD8U79MVG0

As far as this being interesting and/or unique, most palms have lateral (sticking out to the side) inflorescences although ones that rise above the crown (terminal inflorescences) are known. Palms with terminal inflorescences are almost all monocarpic and have rather impressive floral displays. Sago palms are a great example of this. Just google the palm genera Corypha or Metroxylon for examples and images of plants similar to this new species. However, neither of these genera currently have many extant species.

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
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17/01/08 @ 18:03

Thanks for such an erudite response.

The "interesting" as seen by journalists, pedants, rank amateurs like me, and serious botanists like yourself is, I imagine, rather different!

EllieGantEllieGant pro
17/01/08 @ 20:41

My first thought was "That's not unusual - bamboos do it" then I read the link. My second thought was that sounds like a sesame paste - then I read your comment about hummus! My third thought is that I thought Madagascar was one of the most biologically diverse places for plants and wildlife, so I can't say that I am really surprised by the discovery. So maybe the Frenchman is the wow! factor ...

tylluanpenrytylluanpenry pro
21/01/08 @ 00:53

scary stuff - the standard of reporting, that is, not the exploding palm tree! :)

The media's need to sensationalise, trivialise and generally render everything down to the lowest possible denominator is a sad sign of the times. It's getting very difficult to find a newspaper worth reading or a programme worth watching.

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